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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwOTI1XzI1N0ZCRDcw] [quote:philo-sophia:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwODAyXzg4RUYyMDY2] Overall, I like your thinking OP. Just wondering, have you looked into 1. Quantum Mechanics (real QM and not quantum quackery) and its significances (or what it really means, as in, no solid matter) 2. Chaos Theory 3. Consciousness itself as primordial ???? What do you think of the Universe/multiverse as a quantum fractal that is self aware as a hypothesis. Your thoughts please. [/quote] 1. I have a degree in 2ndary Math/Physics/Chem Education. So I'm well-aware of Quantum Mechanics (Physics 102 where I'm from, so to speak). 2. Chaos Theory - A theory (or group thereof) that depends too much on "initial conditions" (YET in a dynamic universe). WORTHLESS, IMHO. 3. What IS consciousness? It is (at least) "A subject which observes itself". But a rock does that... What about "a subject which observes itself observing itself"? A plant does that AND SO ON. Exponentially so. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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