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[quote:Anonymous Coward 33833492:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcxMTc0Xzk5QTA0RjdF] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwNzA5XzE0NjFCRUQz] [quote:philo-sophia:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwNjg5X0REN0E1RUVD] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwNjM1XzM3MzhDQjBD] [quote:philo-sophia:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTcwNjIxXzI5NEUzRTU0] [quote:Raymantheheretic:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzNzI1XzQ5Mzg1MjUw] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMTU0X0RGRkE0MDM4] [quote:Raymantheheretic:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMDg5XzE1MjcyOEZG] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzNENEUxMjA0] [/quote] How do you know you know? Explain Theists and atheists are both believers [/quote] ^^^THIS^^^ [/quote] Thanx Some Q's if you don't object... What is god? Please be specific. What is the meaning and value of god? What are the alternatives? [/quote] Ask the ones who are so intent on convincing you. I'm just some guy with a completely subjective experience. [/quote] Understood sir, they were not directed at you personally, instead they are directed at the topic of this thread. Please only consider them as "food for thought" for you and the general reader, (me too). Concerning 'experience', there is the experience the perception of the experience the interpretation of the experience and memory of experience and precursors to the experience (frame?) as an NDE'er myself, i have more questions than answers. [/quote]
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Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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