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[quote:Anonymous Coward 17547670:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTc0NjEyXzE0MDhBQjdB] We are in a knowledge age. As we get smarter, we tend to lose heart. Love is a linear vibration that lasts forever. Without god or jesus, you will not be able to conquer your own mind as we progress through these evolutionary changes. Fear will ultimately win your mental battle in the end if no humilty is achieved on your part (believing someone is better than you are). This is why relgion and the bible are the greatest gifts to mankind. Its your key to beating solar flares, natural disasters, government lies, genocides and homicides that will be like swords to your fragile mind. Other ways to counter those upcoming issues is giving alms, prayer, tything, and fasting. Practicing these things strengthen a part of your brain necessary for spiritual growth. You'll see that when you adapt to evolutionary changes of the flesh, you'll indulge in fast food, drugs, smarts for achieving more money, hot bitches..These will grow old and die.. you wont be satisfied by these anymore.. Your craving love (not making love) and you dont even know it yet. Asian religions, Buddhism have recently found that practicing spiritual oneness (as in unlocking your spiritual connection yourself) has become much harder in the last 5 years due to this worldwide mental turbulence we're going through.. They too have realized you must meditate and submit to a higher power to achieve similar results as in the past. [/quote]
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Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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