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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxNDc4X0UyQjFBQzdB] [quote:christian:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMzc2XzQ2OTdGOA==] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMzYxXzg3MzkzMzFB] [quote:christian:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMzI0XzkzM0YwMjkx] [quote:hillbilly:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMjQ1X0IzQTBGRkI2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 18225135:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMDAwX0E0MjIxQTUz] ...GOD IS IN CONTROL!!! This age is ending now. Get your ways straight and live in His Word. It is your choice. [/quote] I do not choose to impose any human limitations, such as gender, or emotions, such as HATE, to the Creator. I choose liberty and justice for ALL. The choice IS mine, no control required. Good thread. Peaces. [/quote] You have no control, you are either a slave to the state or you are free to live a spirit guided life that comes from GOD Master of the Universe [/quote] OK. Now try arguing that stance. You profess a BELIEF. Call it what it is. AND LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE! [/quote] Yes I believe in GOD and if other's deny him that is there buisness, I could care less actually. [/quote] Well, then why in the hell are you calling the poster above EITHER "a slave to the state" OR "free to live a spirit-guided life"?! It sounds like a false dichotomy to me. Also, when you make an "either/or" assertion, you are professing certainty. You can't do that with a "belief". That's why I say LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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