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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxNjg0XzZGMUIyOEYw] [quote:They'refixingtheroad:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxNjMzXzEyOEI2NDk4] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzNENEUxMjA0] My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES. That's why I believe in God. But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories. [/quote] It was September 14th, 2007 when I died... A good sleep. I saw no angels with wings etc... When I came out of it I thought that my ancestors should have at least been there... I was a big follower of Jesus at the time too. I look at it all now within Sacred Mystery. As in my NDA didn't provide proof but it sure did allow me to remove the face of god... Sacred Mystery to me now. I like it here better. [/quote] See? You're being intellectually honest. It would be nice if everybody was as honest. Good post! [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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