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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxOTc1Xzk0RDg0Mzk0] [quote:hillbilly:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxOTA4X0E1MjhBOUVF] OP, I too had a reboot almost 14 yrs. ago, due to a bad fever. It scrambled my muscle memory, sensory memories, etc. I couldn't play my guitar. I got back to work at what seemed like someone else's job, a position I built from scratch, and nobody could help. Seems like the Eighties (thank God;) got buried the deepest. Music and smells trigger new old memories, but often they FEEL like someone else's life at first. I proudly use the term Born Again. In the last year a certain young lady got to me, my first CRUSH in THIS life. That has been difficult to process. 13 days ago my dad passed, and digging up old photos has been an adventure. I don't remember many specifics from the week I was offline, except that knowing a storm was coming (Y2K?), and my parents would need me. That's my NDE testimony. Sorry to hijack. [/quote] It's all good. Your case of memory loss only demonstrates what I'm saying. Our perceptions are subjective and dynamic. Once, when I was a little kid, I was sick and my mother woke me up in the middle of the night to give me my dose of medicine. She told me about it in the morning but I "knew" she had to be lying because I had no memory of it whatsoever That was my first conscious initiation into subjectivity-awareness. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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