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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNjM1X0U5NUQ2RTQz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33041105:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNTU0X0NBNDY0NzBB] False... GOD is a NECESARY CONCEPT. so, is not this way: "there must be a god somewhere BECAUSE i think of it" The rigth one is: "God IS A MUST in order to have a CAUSE OF ALL THE CAUSES... therefore, I exist just as a consequence" [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzNENEUxMjA0] Let's get right to it. No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real. No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real. All arguments are moot without assuming a "given". because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED. [/quote] [/quote] Incorrect. How can you prove that your existence didn't begin NOW...or NOW...or...give it a second...NOW? You certainly can't. You can't even prove it to yourself. If a cause of a cause is somehow qualitatively or quantitately "greater", then is your father "greater" than you? Is your grandfather even greater? [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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