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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNjgwXzdBQzM0MzA3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33543587:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNjM2XzcwNTQzRkY5] I think this is one of the better threads on GLP in a long long time. It does bother me, however, that a couple of souls on here did not experience anything in their NDE. [/quote] But maybe they did but don't remember it. Subjectivity says, "If I don't remember it, then it didn't happen." (see my example about my mother giving me medicine in the middle of the night that I posted earlier) Memories are just another type of sensory data which is applied to the intangible strand of subjectivity we call "I". [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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