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Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 33041105:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNzY1Xzk1RThGMDMx] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNjM1X0U5NUQ2RTQz] Incorrect. How can you prove that your existence didn't begin NOW...or NOW...or...give it a second...NOW? You certainly can't. You can't even prove it to yourself. If a cause of a cause is somehow qualitatively or quantitately "greater", then is your father "greater" than you? Is your grandfather even greater? [/quote] No... your position (in logic and philosophy) if false. from your position, you can not prove ANYTHING, and TO KNOW SOMETHING is just impossible... anyone can conclude that U and I does not exist and we are just a dream of someone else (and U and I think that we are real ones) So, your case is the same mistake of the german and late philosophers... "all depend on me" (I think, therefore, i exist... but, maybe all is just something on my mind... the reality i dont know if it is real or just something inside my mind) Those mistakes lead to NO KNOWLEDGE [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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