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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzMTUyXzlDOTAyRDg2] [quote:christian:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzMTEyX0Y4RkNFODgy] [quote:ANHEDONIC:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyOTg1XzFGNUYwQjU=] [quote:christian:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMzY0X0Y3NTNDNzk1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33543587:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMzI2XzdEMzE2M0JE] You bring up sound points and solid arguments. For myself I worship nothing, and believe in much. I am quite positive that there is an afterlife, based on personal experiences. What it is exactly? I am far from sure. But I believe that the essence of what makes us an individual survives on eternally. Is there a God? Yes, but this spirit is not what Christians believe. I believe this spirit we name as God does not control, punish, judge, blame or interfere. We all have free will and choice. How we live our lives and conduct ourselves is choice and can be a gift and a punishment for the soul. I believe God is the Universe, and everything in it, small and large. God is in all of us in the good AND bad we do everyday. [/quote] But what you believe is not Universal truth, it is your opinion, [b]and you made GOD into your image[/b].... [/quote] Well DUH, Susie. What do you think you do everytime you think about 'God' and what 'God' means to you? You project your own understanding and your own conceptualization of what 'God' signifies to YOU based on your awareness level. Just like the men who wrote the bible did. Why do you think there is murder, slavery, rape, spite, vengeance, and jealousy in that book that you worship? Those are HUMAN actions & HUMAN emotions that are projected & attributed to 'God' from the minds of men. There is no need to criticize someone for having his/her own conceptualizations about 'God' just because you believe 'God' is found in a book and don't realize that you are also creating your own image of 'God' in your own mind. [/quote] [b]In Judaism they have one concept of GOD that is verified in the Tanach and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.[/b] [/quote] "verified" isn't the correct term here. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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