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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzOTQwXzY1OTYyQzUz] [quote:Raymantheheretic:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzNzI1XzQ5Mzg1MjUw] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMTU0X0RGRkE0MDM4] [quote:Raymantheheretic:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkxMDg5XzE1MjcyOEZG] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzNENEUxMjA0] A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are. [/quote] A true atheist would state there is no God. One who merely lacks belief is generally defined as agnostic. Since you don't even grasp the basic terms involved you might consider just butting out since those who'd argue either side wouldn't listen to you anyway. [/quote] An atheist LACKS BELIEF in a god or gods. An atheist needn't express a belief that "there IS NO god". Take, for example, someone raised without a concept of gods. They are an atheist because they don't profess a belief in god. Strictly speaking, EVERYONE is an "agnostic". From the Jesus freaks to the rabid "positive atheists". [/quote] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic Definition of AGNOSTIC 1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god Strictly speaking your use of the word sucks. [b]If one thinks they believe in or know God even to the slightest degree they are not agnostic by any stretch of the definition.[/b] You want to argue about it? Maybe you should :fuckoff2: [/quote] Yes, I would like to argue about it. That's incorrect. I, for example, BELIEVE in a god as much as I BELIEVE that you are a real human being and not a figment of my imagination. I can't KNOW either of those things (or much else). And neither can you. Or Richard Dawkins or Pat Robertson or the Pope or the Dhali Lama or ANYONE. By being intellectually honest, we find that we are ALL agnostics. Many won't admit that to themselves or anyone else. However, subconsciously they must realize it. This is one reason that people actively seek to validate their beliefs and disbeliefs. Also, (from wiki): [b]Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[/b] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. [b] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[/b] [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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