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[quote:hillbilly:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk0MjAxX0U3N0YwRTk5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33543587:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkyNjM2XzcwNTQzRkY5] I think this is one of the better threads on GLP in a long long time. It does bother me, however, that [b]a couple of souls on here did not experience anything in their NDE.[/b] [/quote] Not sure mine was NDE. I believe I was shown the future. MAJOR deja vu on 9-11. The bug that got me took a while to put me down, and it seemed to go right for the nervous system. No spewing from either end. Just so weak I couldn't function for several days. I remember late one night I woke up to the DJ on the radio freaking out about a lot of activity outside the studio, as in WTF are all the flashing lights, etc. Alice In Chains 'Dirt' was in the CD player, and those songs give me the chills to this day. I basically sweated it out. I don't know what my temperature was. Afterward I wanted a doctor to check and tell me what had hit me. I beat mono almost 20 yrs. before and it was still in my blood months later, which was my last checkup. Never did go, paranoid I guess. While trying to remember how to wash clothes, at the parents' house, I told them I wasn't sure I was still the same person. It got better, but after 14 yrs. of rebuilding, I feel like a kid again when something forgotten reappears. I told the new girl that I had searched for her half my life, and trying to find ME for half her life. Maybe there's a song in all this. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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