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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk0MzMyXzU0OTk2NkQ3] [quote:Professor Xavier:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk0MjQwX0Y0MTRGQjBC] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzMzc3X0RENDg2RkU1] [quote:Professor Xavier:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkzMzQ0XzZGNkM2RDlD] OP is deep. :beetlejuice: [/quote] I appreciate the sarcasm. I haven't stated anything that everyone doesn't already realize. However, facing that realization takes the kind of courage that ideologues often lack. [/quote] It doesn't require any courage. It's a retreat into intellectual defeat and an excuse to cease dialogue. :jerkit: [/quote] You certainly have an enthusiasm for wanking! Don't hurt yourself. You call it intellectual defeat. And yet it's an achievement. Complete intellectual honesty. What use is a dialogue that always leads to the same conclusion? This conclusion is easily and unambiguously spelled-out in this thread. I think you just like the conflict. Either that or you might have a stake in the game of god vs no god. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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