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[quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk0NzI4X0FBNUUxNjU0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 18225135:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk0NjQ4X0ZEQzZEQkU1] All of you think faith means you have to blindly believe in God. It is not faith in whether God is real or not! Wow! Think! Faith is in God's promises! A person is supposed to have faith in all that God said He is and will do. Not faith in whether you think He is actually there. Because anyone that believes on Him is a believer, not a faith-er. When you make a deal with someone it is in good "faith" that both parties will live up their respective commitments. That is the type of faith you must have. Everyone is confusing the type of faith. God even states that you are to remind Him of the promises that He has made to His children. Not because He has forgotten them. No. He wants to know that you have studied all that He said He was going to to do. Faith in knowing that He will fulfill all that He has said will come to pass just as it is written. And as I stated before, you don't have to go far to find proof of God. Asking for proof is actually an insult to God. You are like the Pharisees that asked for a sign when God stood before them as Jesus Christ. They were wicked and of their father Satan. I believe the wicked are even present here on this forum, especially the God-less bastard that stated they vomited in their mouth. Guess what... God actually says the same thing about people like you. He says that people like you make him sick to the point of vomiting - in the scripture. Btw... Peter said there would be scoffers in these days. That they would question if God even existed and where are the promises. OOOOhh... they are happening everyday now and more are coming. Like a freight train! [/quote] We are using the lay term in this thread as different religions (and denominations thereof) have differing views on "faith". From Wikipedia: [b]Depending on the religion, faith is belief in a god or gods or in the doctrines or teachings of the religion. Informal usage of faith can be quite broad, including trust or belief without proof, and "faith" is often used as a substitute for "hope", "trust" or "belief".[/b] [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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