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Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 33550485:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODk1NDA1XzVDMjNEMTU3] Let's be honest, we argue because we enjoy it. If both parties are really being honest about their beliefs and bring decent well thought out arguments to the table, I don't see any problem with healthy debate. I'm an atheist, but if a non believer posts an argument or statement that is dishonest or just plain stupid I'll be first in line to shut them down. I would hope honest believers would do the same. Dishonest agenda driven people on [i]both[/i] sides are the only ones who should stfu. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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