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[quote:Anonymous Coward 33654051:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE0NTM1XzM1NUMxN0Ey] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE0NDY2X0QwRTBEODZB] [quote:TheLevite777:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE0MzY1XzRDQTY5RjU1] Many born-again Christians experience powerful life-changing spiritual experiences that cannot be denied. If you are truly born-again of the Spirit above, then there is no denying, God reveals himself to the humble and resists the proud. But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. James 4:6 [/quote] But don't you agree that those who are "humble" are those who are intellectually honest? Those who say, "I don't know"? [/quote] Yes, that could be akin to being humble and not being a militant atheist that all they do with their time is mock believers and think of them as idiots and put their pride in their intelligence while thinking they are too smart to believe in God. But have you asked the Father to bless you with his Holy Spirit yet? Ask and ye shall receive, all you need is a mustard seed of faith. That is what I did anyway. I had a problem with my faith, I really really wanted to believe and I guess a part of me did and so I humbled myself before the Father and asked could he help me with my faith and bless me with his Holy Spirit and I was blown away by the magnitude of what I experienced. Without his Holy Spirit, we are blind to the Truth. We need that for guidance,instruction, and to enter into the Kingdom of God. I actually felt it enter my body and I have done a lot of drugs in my life and let me tell you, there was no greater feeling. It was pure Love, total ecstasy that brought tears to my eyes. I hope you find it too my friend. God bless you. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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