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[quote:Anonymous Coward 23956419:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE2MDA2XzJCQkExRkJC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 7244743:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE1OTQ4X0I1MEE2M0Q5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 23956419:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE1ODEwX0M3NjQ3NTk5] What I cannot get my head around is, if there is a God, and I don't know if there is or not, where did (S)he originate from? In our perception of reality, everything has a beginning point and an end point, surely if you go back for long enough, at what point did God appear? Indeed How did God appear? How did anything and everything get started in the first place? Sorry I got a headache just thinking about it [/quote] God did not have an origination point. (S)he invented time and exists outside of it. Therefore God had no beginning and no end. God didn't "appear", God always was. And everything got started because God had a creative thought, and here we are. If God had a starting point, (S)he would have an end point. And I find that thought disconcerting. As perplexed as you are, always wondering who/what created God, I am equally as perplexed wondering how people could think God was created. [/quote] thanks for the reply, but i still cant get my head out of this time paradigm. I just cannot comprehend something that was always there. I keep thinking 'well God MUST have started at some point". If you go back long enough, there has to be a starting point or maybe it is true that our minds are just not powerful enough to comprehend. I don't know, my head is starting to hurt again [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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