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Thread for Atheists & Christians - STFU
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[quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE2Mzg3Xzk2MjIxQjdD] Now what to do with the atheist who doesn't need our help? They may be better off financially and can do all of those things. They may be better educated. Well Christians through history have witnessed, not by persuasion with logic, but with kindness. For example, in history many people came out West in America. That West began in places like Kentucky and Indiana, and from there people continued on and on and competed with the Native Americans. Some first arrivals knew a lot of frontier skills. Some were also Bible believing people and devout Christians. One example are Morovian missionaries. They went out West and not only helped new arriving European descendants (with no life skills suitable for the frontier though well educated) but also First People (Native Americans) too. Both groups were surprised by their kindness. The missionaries were not infallible men and women, just ordinary people doing the right things for the most part. Many people were converted not by reason but watching very sincere people share their faith. Though unbelievers came out West, many ended up believing because the lifestyle was an admirable one. Even Native Americans who were brutalized by supposed Christians still maintained their faith even in this present generation. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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