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The Native Americans passed their religion down orally, and spent little time arguing over it. Along came the whites with their precious Book, trying to save the savages, but arguing with, and often killing, each other over who's interpretation of The Book was correct. The Natives just shook their heads.

The children, meanwhile, laughed and played together. They understood the message. [b]Be as the little children[/b].

Be like the water, my friend. Pour water in a bowl, it becomes the bowl.-Bruce Lee
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One cannot talk about the First People as if they are one group. In North American alone they make up thousands and thousands of tribes, each with their own languages, customs, and spirituality.

Likewise Christians in North American alone came from many tribes from other nations with a plethora of languages, customs, and spiritual beliefs.

Both are sweeping generalities and stereotypes that marginalize people into tiny boxes, when in reality each human being is uniquely different and dynamic by changing over time.
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Original Message Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to

because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.

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