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[quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE3MDM1XzIxMjI3QUE3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 24392638:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE2Nzk4XzE4OEY5Rjcw] [quote:simultaneous_final:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1ODkwNDc0XzUzQkI4NzM0] The question of God vs No God is a CLOSED CASE. It can't be known. CASE FUCKING CLOSED. Quit arguing. No matter your argument, it all comes down to SUBJECTIVE PERCEPTION which is demonstrably UNRELIABLE. [/quote] But all life is subjective if you stop and think about it. Life does not exist beyond our own minds, which is why we create our own reality because no one can create it for us. Sounds a little wacky but it's true. Think about it. If you're in a coma, physical life stops existing for you until you "wake up." Your mental life, however, continues on some other plane but you might not remember it. Then again, you might, which is why people are told to talk to their loved ones in a coma because they can hear you. Nothing in life exists outside of your mind. It is first conceived in your mind, then created in the physical. Cars, computers, airplanes, internet, your house ... were all concepts in someone's mind before they became a reality. [/quote] Hmmm, I disagree with half of that. Our sun, Sol, need not be perpetually conjured up in the minds of 7 billion present souls to exist. It exists outside of our perception. Say one is an isolated tribe and believes in that tribe's mythology about the Sun. Does their perception of shared reality, does that consensus change the physical laws of the nuclear and chemical reactions going on within it? Does it alter the photosynthesis of the plants that equally benefit from it? No. In quantum physics, we know now that the observer does affect reality. That doesn't mean the Universe falls apart if one is a lunatic and cannot properly perceive reality. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc[/youtube] [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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