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[quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE3MzEwXzYxMzg1MkYz] [quote:PENG:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE3MjQ4XzEzNTY0NEIz] Are you making up with me? :-). :hf: Ok, so it would have been really awesome if you had said, "I love those videos!" Or "OMG, what a great find! Can't wait to watch them!" :chuckle: I like them soooo much, I thought of only you when I went to find them. :rose: Are you laughing yet? :tounge: my mission is to make you smile today! Honest. :) [/quote] My dear friend, I have felt close to you every day since I first met you. Even if we had a disagreement, it was very minor, and if you had spoken to me in person or on the phone you would immediately have felt self-assured. I don't ever stay upset more than moments. I am lucky that way. I'm sure they are wonderful and I will watch them, I promise, if only because I value your opinion as well as your most excellent friendship. You are a superb friend and a credit to women in general and a True Lady. Since I have written perhaps as much as 20 pages of material in a matter of a couple of hours, then I think I can be forgiven for not watching the videos while I act as an ambassador for Christ and an apologist for rational Humanity too. [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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