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Those who own the press, have the means for distribution, and the will to carry out long range plans, can, and have instilled this paradigm...

Authenticated !!! By whom...

Of course, I know your answer is scholars... As I said - any paradigm can be instilled over time, if you have the means for distribution...

Until you have verified facts with your own observations, then everything is suspect... So-called educated, or authoritative figures are part of the system... They do not pass, get their degrees, and have a future until they pass the tests...

Who designed the tests???
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Are you doubting ALL SCHOLARSHIP! Wow! Well it would be impressive to independently prove each science and humanities yourself. Can you do that? You mean you yourself are a PhD in multiple disciplines and have independently proven every thing that you've ever read?

Wow! You must be a genius....ROFL

Oh my gosh, you're thrown the baby out with the bathwater there, Hoss!

I don't doubt everything. I do an enormous amount of cricital thinking though. Your way seem illogical to the EXTREME!

So basically you're doubting the authority of anyone but yourself???????????????
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Original Message Let's get right to it.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.

No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.

All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".

How can I say all this with certainty?

BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.

No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.

Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.

A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.

SO--is there a GOD?

My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.

That's why I believe in God.

But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.

So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to

because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.

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