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[quote:Anonymous Coward 24392638:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTIwNjgyXzgyNDgwODE0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33674751:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE5ODgzX0M1NzkyMEQy] [quote:Don'tBeAfraid:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE5NzczXzQ5QkQ3QjIw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 24392638:MV8yMTI2NzkzXzM1OTE5NDQ4X0Y3MDQ0RjMy] I never said I was an atheist, you just assumed that. I do believe in God but not the God of the bible, and my beliefs are my beliefs. I have no need to share them with anyone because it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. We all have our own path to travel. All paths lead to God and mine is none of your business. I'm only commenting on yours because you put it on a public forum. I am also not questioning whether God exists or not. My experiences tell me God does exist but not the personal God of Christianity. Another wrong assumption you made was my not knowing any Buddhists. I volunteered at a Buddhist publishing house for a year that published only books by Thich Nhat Hanh. People who wanted to know more about Buddhist thought contacted the publisher for books to read. People who are searching contact that which offers them answers. They are not hit over the head like rabid Christians spouting chapter and verse. I'm not saying that's what you're doing but there are plenty who do. I've met many born-again Christians who are the worst people I've ever known. They were not Christlike even by accident. I also had a very close friend who was a Hindu and he never once tried to convert me to his way of thinking, nor did his Hindu friends. One more thought and then I'm done. What I don't like about Christians is their obsessive focus on Satan. I've been to church services with friends or because of funerals and the emphasis on evil makes me want to puke. Talk about devil worship! Even my own mother's funeral was full of Satan crap. Change the focus to love and you change the world. You attract what you put out there, which is universal law. [/quote] You mean you're willing to criticize my beliefs and then not discuss yours? That's strange and also unusual for you to engage me and openly put me down for all my spiritual failings than fail to discuss yours! :SmileyWink: Come come, don't be such a coward. Let's talk about your beliefs too. We should talk about Thich Nhat Hanh then, for it is undeniable that he's both a brilliant man as well as a devout spiritual man. Regardless even that system recognizes some sense of spiritual attainment in which people evolve into a bodhisattva or higher. So you're denying the existence of God per se. Some Christians. My gosh there are a billion of us. You're making a really huge dishonest stereotype.[b] I don't know any two that are the same,[/b] not many but the extreme sort of fundamentalists who spend a ton of time on Satan's presence. The problem with only love is that it isn't defineable and is so loose as to be almost meaningless. It's a bland idea discussing universal love, and unattainable. It's like saying, "See if everyone would just love each other, then everything would be perfect...." which is admirable and noble and hopelessly naive too. [/quote] It might have been a good idea to leave that line out. Talk about meaningless drivel. You are ALL exactly the same. Not a shred of difference. I can pick a "Christian" out in two seconds flat, and it isn't because they are so spiritual and good either. Some of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard come from the mouths of most Christians. I should know, I was a devout Christian for 25 years and left because you people are ALL, yes every single one of you, the same. The endless contradictions and hypocrisy were two other reasons. That book and subsequent religion is full of SHIT! [/quote] Amen! [/quote]
Let's get right to it.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is real.
No one can prove that "God" or any variation thereof the concept is NOT real.
All arguments are moot without assuming a "given".
How can I say all this with certainty?
BECAUSE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT DREAMING RIGHT NOW, with fabricated memories and all.
No matter what, FAITH is required just to participate in whatever you think is reality.
Both atheists and God-believers base their beliefs on FAITH in experiential data.
A true atheist "lacks a belief" and that is a perfectly honest position to hold. However, the rabid atheists who argue endlessly that "there is no God" are taking the same leap of faith that the proselytizing Christians are.
SO--is there a GOD?
My experiential data (a near-death experience that was seemingly as "real" as anything else I've experienced) says YES.
That's why I believe in God.
But I'd be a liar if I said that my NDE provides "proof"--even to myself. After all, my dreams are as "real" as anything even when I'm walking on the ceiling and lightsaber fighting and flying a MIG--all with a head full of outlandish memories.
So...all of you know-it-alls arguing FOR or AGAINST the concept of "God" need to
because your arguments ARE DEMONSTRABLY FLAWED.
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