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BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped
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[quote:Nine's:MV8yMTM3MTIwXzM2MjQxODEyXzUyNzU0Nzk4] [quote:CeeLite:MV8yMTM3MTIwXzM2MjQxNDE4X0JCQkE1N0Uy] The link in my sig goes to a page that is updated on the latest news on Dorner http://timelines.latimes.com/statewide-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer/ [/quote] Very nice collection of articles. Thank you for sharing that link. Still trying to find whether they are still babysitting the cops who felt threatened. I posted some of this on another thread, but feel like repeating it. I think it's highly unlikely they have really identified him. From news: Dr. Wagner said the fastest method is dental records, provided you have them. “Everybody in military has dental and DNA records and they’re kept for some 50 years,” said Wagner. “It depends on how much burning has been going on,” said Dr. Skip Sperber, a forensic dentist. Sperber worked with the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s office for 35 years. Currently, conducts dental identification with the San Diego Police Department as a volunteer. [b][b]Sperber said in the case of the body in Big Bear, the forensic team may not have teeth to work with.[/b][/b] “[b][b]Sometimes the crown, the white parts we see are totally destroyed[/b][/b],” explained Dr. Sperber. “Sometimes we have to use the bone that surrounds the teeth that we have on x-rays.” Read more: http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/02/13/body-found-in-burned-cabin-not-identified-yet/#ixzz2KxouV0RF Read more at http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/02/13/body-found-in-burned-cabin-not-identified-yet/#tD4R6lz8ov5JTFk9.99 From a book, Forensic Medicine: Clinical and Pathologicical Aspects by Jason Payne-James, Anthony Busutti, William S. Smock [b][b]"Teeth subjected to intense heat may appear to be intact, but disintegrate when touched. Techniques exist to secure the teeth while the body is in situ and preserve them for detailed examination, and the advice of odontologists must be sought."[/b][/b] END And that's with a regular fire. Speaking with someone who knows, cops or swat should start with the basement and attic in deploying smoke bombs, to keep the subject from running to those areas to hide. Then the second floor, and the ground floor last. Pyrotechnic munitions put off a large amount in a single shot, or deployment, and contaminate big areas quickly. They can only be used when deadly force is authorized because of the chance of fire. If it was thermite, or an AN-M14, it produces extremely high heat when ignited. They will destroy a gun breech, breach? within minutes or ignite fires or ammunition. They burn at 2200 degrees C. Though the cabin was burned to the ground and it appeared that not even a bathtub, kitchen stove or refrigerator were standing, they have produced pictures of a gun that looks like the camo decoration (whatever you call it) is not only unburned, but still clean. A wallet was also shown. Figure the odds. [/quote]
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Authorities are responding to a home in the Sugarloaf area of Big Bear on a report of hostage situation.
Officials have recovered a rifle and possibly a can of gas.
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