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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 34281023:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NjE4XzUzOEQ0ODNG] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NTUzX0EyNzVFQUVB] "But they've been violating the black letter law of the Constitution for over 150 years. The federal government in its current state is entirely unlawful and has no lawful or legal authority, beyond force." Says who? This is the part of the 'sovereign citizen' movement I never understood. They literally just make bizarro nonsense 'legal' principles up whole...citing only themselves. That the federa government invents a 'paper' version that has nothing to do with you. Yet when pressed to back this bullshyte up with *actual law*, they have none. Its just them, making up their story as they go along. The law simply doesn't say what they claim it does. The imaginary 'requirements' that they claim must be met don't actually exist. The court has to 'trick' you into acknowledging its authority before it can rule over you? Um, nope. There is no such requirement. Jurisdiction is established geographically. And there are no 'paper' people. The imaginary requirement simply doesn't exist. And when they actually try and quote law, 99 times out of 100, they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. Take the 'Organic Act of 1871' that supposedly reduced the nation and all of its people to corporations. The law is also known as the 'Act to Provide a Government for the District of Columbia'. It was a municipal consolidation of two cities: Georgetown and Washington into one municipality. That's it. Here it is in its entirety: http://www.teamlaw.org/DCOA-1871.pdf All the inane babble about it being the 'End of America' is just made up nonsense from someone who has never read the Act and doesn't have the slightest clue what it actually says. For those of you serious about learning what's 'actually' happening, I'd suggest two things. *Always* ask 'according to who?' when you hear about some super secret loophole that sounds too good to be true. And then demand evidence to back it up. Not just the name of a particular act, but the *actual* text, the *actual* court rulings. You'll find almost invariably, the person sharing the 'miraculous loophole' is just apeing what they've been told to think....and can't back it up. [/quote] what a heap of legalese crap you just spouted-those LAWS as you call them arent even wirtten correctly-and neither does the site you linked understand correct syntax. next. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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