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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NjkxX0UyODg3QTkz] [i]"Its feasible, i heard of someone who got recognize as such, but the troubles and hassle of living as a sovereign being is immense, you need to be devoted to the idea, fully."[/i] Oh, plenty of people have 'heard' of someone who actually made this nonsense pseudo-legal babble called the 'sovereign citizen' movement work. Until you ask for their name. Then suddenly its a friend of a friend who prefers to remain anonymous. The harder you press, the more you realize that this imaginary 'someone' has all the reality of the Easter Bunny or the Loch Ness monster. For *actual* people with *actual* names, the entire legal basis for the sovereign citizen movement is worthless....as it doesn't actually exist. If, for example, you insist that you don't have to pay taxes because the federal government can only bill the 'paper you', you go to jail. As there is no paper you, and the law has no such limitations. Making up nonsense pseudo-legal gibberish doesn't change anything. Making up non-existent 'requirements' that the government has to meet before it can apply the law doesn't mean a thing. Both the gibberish and the made up requirements are meaningless and irrelevant in the real world. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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