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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 9014106:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NzM3X0YwQzY1RDFC] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NjQ5XzU5RkQ4Q0VD] "What most people refer to as 'law' is not law. A law is something you are obligated to follow. Breaking Common Law, for example, would be rape, murder etc. There is an obligation under Common Law not to bring harm to others. Most of these 'Acts' referred to as laws are not. They are statutes/legal that a human being is not obligated to consent to. They most certainly do not want you knowing this however! " Again, says who? Who says that the Acts referred to as law are not? That would be you...citing you. And I hate to break this to you, but the law doesn't change just because you *say* it has no authority over you. You citing yourself is essentially meaningless. Whether you agree or disagree with a given law is meaningless. You don't get to decide which laws are valid and which not. We do. And by 'we', I mean the people through their elected representatives. Not you, typing on an online chat board. [/quote] People using sovereign arguments are forever quoting the Constitution & abiding by this document. Corporations posing as governments are forever disregarding the constitution. The Constitution doesn't become irrelevant just because 'you' say so. In Australia, a referendum is required to alter any part of the constitution. A corporation does not have the authority to create laws to force people to follow them, but can create contracts. Anyhow, will say it is very obvious you are a shill. More proof that 'they' are concerned about this info getting out - lol. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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