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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 34281023:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NzY1XzYzQkZDODcy] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3NzQ3X0JGODdDQkRD] And by 'shill', does that mean anyone who doesn't accept these imaginary requirements and non-existent pseudo-legal principles you've made up? The sovereign citizen movement loves its labels. But calling a tree a tea cup doesn't change anything about the tree. Nor does calling yourself a 'sovereign citizen' change a thing about your status under the law. But don't take my word for it.....look at the essentially *perfect* record of failure of the movement in court. Clearly the law doesn't actually say what they believe it does. [/quote] i didnt 'make them up'.maybe you need to research as i said. i explained why people have failed when trying it. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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