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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTQ1OTgxXzY5MEFEMzcw] Once a contract is endorsed, it carries lawful effect, until proven fraudulent. Once FRNs are endorsed by use or signature, they become contractually LAWFUL, but remain DEBT INSTRUMENTS, the only thing that changes is who is obligated (now by law) to pay the debt, in goods and services, evidenced by the FRNS expressed in $$ amounts. FRNS are NOT as issued, LAWFUL MONEY and NO court cases have ever ruled as such. The Rickman case (and any other) that Jack off JEW keeps posting about are cases for AFTER the endorsement and use creates a lawful binding contractual agreement that the notes had lawful value. [b]The lawful 'value' of the FRNs did NOT exist inherently in the note before the agreements between the parties were reached and transpired![/b] They are then "lawful money" but the same could be said for any medium of exchange, sea shells to horse shit, if a value is agreed upon and the exchange takes place (or a contract is agreed upon) then the contract has just made the 'thing' 'lawful money' and enforceable by a court. J continually refuses to (or is just too ignorant) to face the facts of contract law and contracts. AS issued FRNS are legal tender and legal tender is just a legal OFFER until accepted it is NOT LAWFUL MONEY! [/quote]
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I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
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"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
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“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
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link to kfor.com
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I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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