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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 16685774:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTUxNDQwXzg2MjgxNUU=] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTI4NjUzXzQ0RENBNjUx] [i]By the way, I live in a commonwealth, and if that gets included into the United States definition then I live in Massachusetts colony. The great thing if someone wanted to try and rebut my affidavit they would have to do so with a preponderance of evidence. So with every fucking way the government tries to twist words to get jurisdiction I have ways to get out of them.[/i] No you don't. See, you're doing that 'quote myself as a legal source' thing again. Where you just make up whatever limits and loopholes you want. ANd then insist that because you imagine them, the government is bound by them. Nope. It isn't. The States are part of the US. That you disagree doesn't matter. Your 'rebut your affidavit' trick doesn't work. And you just don't get how jurisdiction works. Remember..and this point is fundamental: you don't actually know what you're talking about. You don't know what the US is. You don't know how jurisdiction works. Every State is under concurrent jurisdiction. Itself...and the Federal Government. Federal Holdings like Washington DC for example have singular jurisdiction. They are under only the Federal government and under the authority of no State. Territories and government holdings within States have the same singular jurisdiction. That you...citing yourself...have just 'announced' that the States are not part of the United States doesn't amount to much. As you're nobody. [/quote] If you'd learn to read you'll know that every claim MUST BE PROVEN! If the state claims I within it's boundaries then how would they prove that? Bring a map into a court room? Well I'm sorry to tell you maps are not legal documents and not admissible. Again your an idiot, if I say I live in Massachusetts Colony what evidence would another party have to PROVE otherwise. [/quote]
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I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
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"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
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“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
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link to kfor.com
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I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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