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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTU0MTc0XzE1MzcyNDVE] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTU0MDkxX0ZBMUM5NzZC] [i][color=darkblue]If the owner of the Lawful money (the US Treasury) does not GIVE me lawful money via my demand, they are obligated to pay any fees or perform any duties associated with my now FORCED use of said property.[/color][/i] First, FRNs are lawful money. Nixing your entire argument. Second, who says that the Federal Reserve is 'obligated to pay any fees or perform any duties associated with my now FORCED use of said property.' Smiling.....you citing yourselfr again? Do you really believe that your pseudo-legal gibberish obligates the Federal Reserve (or anyone else) to do *anything*? Sigh...you poor, silly bastards. You really don't get it, do you? [b]You, citing you, isn't the law.[/b] Nor does it create any obligation, establish any loophole, create any limit, define any term, establish any jurisdiction. That you believe it does is [i]adorable. [/i]And has kept me smiling for days. [/quote] Are you saying I didn't cite Milan v. The US? That I didn't cite US v. Rickman? Remember, just because you *ignore* a citation doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've cited both cases *at least* 3 times each in this thread alone. Yet you ignored *every* citation. And then, as you sovereign citizen types are wont to do, you insisted that because you ignore something, it doesn't exist. Sigh...if only reality worked that way. Try again, this time reading for comprehension. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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