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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 16685774:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTU2OTM5X0FCRjAwNEQ3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTU2NTk5XzU4MDUxNTM5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 16685774:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTU1NzYzXzJFNzk5QjY4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTUyODk3XzM4MDczQzNB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 16685774:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTUyNjU3XzlFMkM1RTND] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTQ5Mzg4XzU3OTc1MUJB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 32235185:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTQ5MjY0X0MxNjA1QTI4] The 16th Amendment says you have to pay taxes.... enough said [/quote] Everyone "pays taxes" not everyone has to pay the "income tax". And the taxing power of congress does not come from the 16th, so go back to work and let the grown ups post. [/quote] Lets get some facts straight Income is a gain from some activity. Look up the tax code to get what they are. I found something interesting in the Tax Treaties with other countries. Personal service is not taxable in all of the tax treaties. 2 kinds of personal services Independent - as a contractor Dependent - as an employee Personal service is trading your personal time for a fixed dollar amount also known as your salary. Your not gaining anything if you are providing personal service. So how could the IRS tax your gains from income? This new knowledge combined with the "Cracking the Code" book I have enough to start and challenge my tax status. [/quote] And you will lose. Just like the guy that wrote "cracking the code" did. The Code is for TAXPAYERS. I promise you, if you try to use it, you will lose. Demand your redemption per 12 USC 411 or you will fail in your quest. Just trying to save you lots and lots of grief and pain, the choice is yours. [/quote] I thought of that already. Peter never mentions making sure to sign your name without prejudice or including UCC 1-308 into his signatures. Had he done so he may not have been charged with perjury. [/quote] If you are willing to try it, then at least put "Demand is made for lawful money per 12-USC 411" on that form somewhere. http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/content.php There are people there who have been through the cracking the code thing and are having hell with I R S, but the demand is doing more than anything else they have done to date. It is worth your time to at least go there and see what they are posting and the results. I applaud your efforts and want you to succeed!! One case from someone who is not even a member there (known member anyway) just had criminal charges dropped by the DOJ, the case number and some of the paperwork are there to check out. [/quote] Thanks I've bookmarked it so I can go through the site thoroughly. One good thing from this post is learning new resources. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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