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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYyMTEwXzI2Q0I2MkNF] [i][color=darkblue]And I'm saying just because I'm born on land doesn't mean anyone has jurisdiction over me because there is no contract between myself and that entity..in this case a FICTION called a corporation (State)[/color][/i] I get what you're 'saying'. Its also useless nonsense. Jurisdiction isn't established by 'contract'. Its established by geography. If you're in Maryland, you're subject to the laws of Maryland. If you're in the US, you're subject to the laws of the US. You disagree. Who cares? You're nobody. You citing yourself as the law is meaningless, as you aren't the law. So who says that jurisdiction is established by contract? Show me the law saying this. [i][color=darkblue] The laws don't apply to anyone because nobody ever consented to the laws.[/color][/i] And who said that laws require your personal consent to be applied to you? You, citing you again? So what? You're nobody. [i][color=darkblue]The State which is a fiction has no jurisdiction over men and women. It can't have jurisdiction over anybody because it can't own property because it is a fiction.[/color][/i] Who says that you need to be able to own property in order to have jurisdiction? Just you, citing you. Which is meaningless, as you're nobody. And you don't know what you're talking about. [i][color=darkblue] I repeat Mr. Evasive. Just because I'm born on land doesn't put me under anyone's jurisdiction including a King.[/color][/i] That's what you say. And you're nobody. You could call yourself Napoleon, it doesn't mean you command the French Army. You could call yourself Jesus Christ...doesn't mean the Catholics now worship you. Your imaginary labels are irrelevant. The law applies to you the same no matter what you call yourself. [i][color=darkblue]Who says the States or the USA has jurisdiction? Just because they they threaten force and violence?[/color][/i] We the people do, through our laws. And the people have vastly more power than you do. We're authoritative, you aren't. You can imagine you're magically immune, that you're a king, or a pony or a popcicle. It really doesn't matter what you imagine. Break our laws and we catch you doing it....and we'll subject you to our legal system. There's nothing you can do about it. You're not special and you're not exempt. Get used to the idea. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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