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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYyMzMzXzhFNzA4NTk4] [i][color=darkblue]J is claiming we are all a party to a system we never consented to.[/color][/i] I'm saying that you're subject to the laws of the land. If you go to France, the laws of France apply to you. If you go to the US, the laws of the US apply to you. If you go to Maryland, the laws of Maryland apply to you. Your 'consent' to the laws is irrelevant. IF that were the case than any murder could kill anyone and then just decide that murder statutes don't apply to him. Thankfully, we the people decide which laws apply and which don't through our representatives.[b] And you aren't the people. [/b]Our authority supersedes yours in every country you go to....with the possible exception of Somalia. And then you'll be subject to the whim of the first warlord to find you. Worse, you're not even thinking your argument through. If you *really* believed that you were a king that could set up his own lands within our country, then by definition you would be an a foreign nation invading our country and trying to annex our territory...and we'd be constitutionally obligated to shoot you on sight. Lucky for you, you aren't a king nor does any law or court recognize you as such. You're just an anonymous dude on the internet who insists he must be a king because he says so. Sigh...if only reality worked that way. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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