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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYzMDcwX0M5RUZDODFB] [quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYyNjUzX0RFRTFFMEY1] [color=darkblue][i]i wonder how this subject is divided amoungst those who have nothing to lose,and those who have invested their lives in the system.[/i][/color] Its not a matter of 'investing their lives in the system'. Its about objective v. subjective. Do we believe that law is generally objective, where folks are held accountable to public laws established by the people? Essentially, a nation of laws. Or do we believe that the law is generally subjective, where the law doesn't exist and everyone can decide for themselves what is legal or illegal? Essentially anarchy. [b]In the US, we picked the more objective course.[/b] The people elect representatives, who then in turn wield the people's authority in their stead to create, execute and adjudicate law. And the laws apply to pretty much everyone objectively. You can argue whether or not that's the system we *should* have. But that is the system we *do* have. We are a nation of laws. Not anarchy. [b]And that's a fact that just drives the sovereign citizen folks crazy.[/b] [/quote] The sovereign citizen movement is NOT about anarchy... It is you and media types that paint it in that light... The movement is about not being plowed under by a system that is inherrantly inflationary... Most of the people I know, have jobs, and families and they do not go around entertaining the idea of being reckless... They have a moral compass... But, they are still in debt... Most hopelessly and fed up... [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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