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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYzOTcxX0IxMzlDMzAz] [quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTYzODgwXzQwNjQ4NTZE] [i][color=darkblue]Not proof, you claimed no action needs to be taken by me, I am subject to your laws, so prove it. Why do you need ME to perform when you are the one claiming dominion and jurisdiction over me WITHOUT my consent or action?[/color][/i] More excuses for why you won't possibly put your claims to the test. Oh, you'll babble and declare that no laws apply to you. But you know that's nonsense. You know that if you get caught breaking a law, the law will be applied to you. If you speed and get caught, you'll get a ticket. If you spit on a cop, you'll be arrested. Which is why you're desperately scrambling to find an excuse, [i]any excuse[/i], to avoid putting your claims to the test. Keep running. When even *you* don't buy your own bullshyte, you know you're done. [/quote] So, if I do not get "caught breaking the law" I am not your subject? So your jurisdiction and my subject nature is NOT from birth nor geography but is contingent on me "getting caught". That is contradicting what you have stated as grounds for jurisdiction, J. Still not proof. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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