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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTY0MTc2X0JDOTkzRkEx] [quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTY0MTEwXzNBMDNEMTI=] [i][color=darkblue]ealize J everyone has different beliefs, and your replies what are they considered, opinions, the truth, half truth, or lies? Reflect and think for a sec. what you are saying.[/color][/i] Anyone can have any 'belief' they want. But neither your beliefs nor mine mandate that the law or the courts adhere to them. That's what so many here just don't get. They consider *themselves* the law (or in 'mr king's' case.....give empty lip service to the idea). And make up whatever pseudo-legal 'limit', loophole or exception to the law they like. But these limits, loopholes and exceptions don't exist just because you 'believe' they do. If you want to make a legal argument, quote the law or the courts. Not yourself. And that's all the 'sovereign citizens' guys do. Is quote themselves, insisting they must be right because they say they are. Which doesn't work really well in the outside this little bubble. From the quality of responses I've gotten, it doesn't work really well inside it either. [/quote] J, make me perform, ya big bad RULER YOU! come on, lets see your proof of jurisdiction! [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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