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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Zuzu:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk4MTYxXzM4M0M2MDhG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34281023:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk4MDkzXzUwNjg3NzVC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk4MDM3X0FERUE1QkM4] [i]"Sovereignity is linked by the understanding the Lord created the Man and gave the Earth as own dominion."[/i] Your religious interpretations don't define the law either. No one is bound to the limitations that you make up. "[i]As citizen, the power to decide and the right to use the force are given to the corporation.[/i]" Says who? You citing you. Which as we've long established, doesn't mean a thing. The imaginary distinction between a 'citizen' and a 'sovereign' is just that: imagination. It doens't actually exist, nor is it recognized under the law. Its just citizens. You making up some fantasy 'status' doesn't change the law or its application to you in the slightest. "[i]A sovereign do not obey corporate rules and does not keep the registered name (last, surname, ... "family"!? name) and is defined by the land he's dominant - has the power of decision and free action.[/i]" A surname is irrelevant. As the 'paper person' fallacy is wholly imaginary. No such legal concept is recognized. No such requirement for applying the law exists. You can call yourself Frank or Optimus Prime or nothing at all.....you still have to pay your taxes or obey traffic laws. There simply isn't any super secret status that makes you immune to the law. [/quote] ive given what you wanted and your just citing yourself-who are you to say? shill. [b]OP these type threads always attract"this".always.[/b] [/quote] I've actually learned a lot from the debating going on here. I hope others have as well. Thank you to all for your input.:hf: [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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