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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk4MjU0XzYxM0Q3OTlB] "[i] ive given what you wanted and your just citing yourself-who are you to say?[/i]" Nope. You offered me a recycled argument that doesn't hold up when you actually fact check it. As I just demonstrated. The quote you offered was radically altered from the *actual* law you claimed to cite. You're hamstrung by the fact that you've never actually read any of the documents you've citing, nor have the slightest clue what they're referring to. You're simply mechanically repeating a line of conspiracy hogwash that even a passing review of the *actual law* (not the conspiracy 'creatively edited' version) demonstrates is meaningless gibberish. This, in a nutshell, is how the entire sovereign citizen movement operates, and the quality of its legal argument. Which is why it fails virtually every time these tired, debunked conspiracy claims are offered in court. And again with that 'shill' idiocy. You guys don't handle anyone who questions your groupthink, do you? [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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