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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk4Mzc0XzUyQzk3MTJG] "This order goes on to redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law. Remember, King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of Peace (1783) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large 80.. Great Britain which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA ..' What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers and King George were working hand-in-hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Republica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. and 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)" Again, you've never read the Treaty of Paris or have the slighest clue what it says. You ape that it 'brought the people of America to their knees'....because you're ignorant of the *actual* content of the document. If you'd ever bothered to read it, you'd see this passage, front and center....that obliterates the entire line of reasoning you're offering: _____________________________________________ [i]"His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof. Article 1, Treaty of Paris, 1783[/i] http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/paris/text.html _______________________________________ Which of course, you've never seen....because you're once again mechanically apeing an argument you don't understand, citing documents you've never read, nor comprehend. Its not as if this were buried deep in the document - [b]its the very first article. [/b]And it completely obliterates your entire line of bullshyte reasoning. Again and again, when you read the *actual* documents....not the snippets taken out of context or the 'creatively edited' conspiracy versions.....they simply don't say what you claim they do. Are you starting to understand the essentially perfect record of failure of the 'sovereign citizens' in court? [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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