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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 17551129:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTY0OTMzX0E2OEM1Rjky] [quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTY0NjE5XzdGMzM5MzMz] [color=darkblue][i]Whose courts and whose laws? They aren't mine because I never agreed to any of it. Just like the Chinese courts and laws aren't my laws.[/color][/i][/color] If you're in China, they are. If you're in the US, then our laws apply. As jurisdiction is established geographically. Your agreement with the law is completely irrelevant. As the laws apply whether or not you agree. If 'consent' were required for a law to apply, then any murderer could kill anyone they wish....and then summarily declare that the statute against murder doesn't apply to them. Thankfully, we don't live under such a system. No nation does. That you imagine you're immune from all laws doesn't change the fact that if you violate our laws and we catch you.....you'll be punished accordingly. You don't dare break a law where you could be caught because you know full well that your entire line of reasoning is meaningless gibberish. Its the same folly for virtually the whole of the sovereign citizen movement. You're brave in the bubble of the message board...and timid as church mice where the *actual* law is applied in the real world. [b]Those few hapless fools that actually try to put their theories to the test.....end up in jail.[/b] [/quote] So basically your saying - this democracy is a dictatorship, where full disclosure is impossible to achieve, and fear is the modem of operation... The only real test of anything is to do it, and you are right, some have gone to jail... The jail aspect gets peoples attention, and they educate themselves more... But, it will not stop them... [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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