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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34504191:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTY2NjQ1X0ExRkJFM0Q2] [color=darkblue][i]use the freeman arguement,and u may get off a parking ticket or speeding fine.u get a million people refusing to pay taxes,they'll make an example out of you.if u'd like an example of this watch cool hand luke.they'll break you.if u got the balls thats your cross to bare and thats what real men respect.you only live once[/i][/color] You can use the pokemon argument if you want. Unless the legal basis and terms you've defined are recognized by the law and the courts, its all just an excercise in your own personal opinion. And enjoy. I'm not trying to tell folks they can't believe what they want to believe. I'm just trying to inject a little reality into the situation....and help folks recognize that while they believe something, the law doesn't actually change based on their belief. It changes based on who they elect to office. Channel some of that energy into changing the laws by electing folks who share your values. They can enact change, if slowly. But its infinitely better than the conspiracy circle jerk of like minded conspiracy theorists agreeing with each other about what the law is 'supposed' to mean. Which is essentially meaningless. Sometimes I think boards like this exist to distract politically minded people from *actually* engaging in real world politics. But then I remember that I don't buy into conspiracy nonsense like that. And I play a little Skyrim. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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