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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MjI3ODA5X0QxN0Y0Rjg=] [i][color=darkblue]That is EXACTLY what I have been posting about this entire thread! YOU assume ALL liabilities of "bills" and "notes" when you indorse them![/color][/i] And you don't know what you're talking about. The holder of the promissory note is the person the debt is own TO. Not the person the debt is owned FROM. A promissory note is a promise to pay from a debtor to the holder of the note. In the case of Wheeler V. Sohmer, its a note of the Southern Railway Company held in safety deposit box in NY. [b]Whom ever holds this promissory note is the party that Southern Railway Company is obligated to pay. [/b]Not the person that is obligated to pay Southern Railway Company. You've got it exactly backwards. Again, read the actual ruling. They're trying to decide if the promissory note itself is taxable, as its allows the holder to GET MONEY. Why in God's name would they be taxing a debt where the holder has to PAY money? You aren't taxed for debts that you owe. You're taxed for income that you receive. And the State of NY is arguing that inheriting a promissory note where someone is obligated to PAY YOU is income. Do you finally get it? Sigh....as usual, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. [/quote]
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I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
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"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
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“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
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link to kfor.com
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I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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