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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
Ms Sans Serif
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[quote:Zuzu:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMTU4XzY5MzUxMkQz] [quote:Learn and be free 9709575:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk5ODgyXzg4REI0MDUx] Actually the term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoran. You cannot be sovereign and a citizen at the same time, they are two different classes of voluntary status. Acting as a sovereign you retain the protection of the constitution while acting as a U.S. citizen you are subject to statutory law. You cannot be sovereign while still using state issued identification of any kind, this includes business licenses, driver licenses, a social security number etc... All state issued identification needs to be cancelled and rebutted within the government record for you to have actual evidence supporting your claim of sovereignty. Check out sedm.org for further information, it is the only source that I find trustworthy and will answer every question you may have, all others are missing important pieces of the puzzle. [/quote] I’m going to take a look at the site you mentioned in a moment and it may answer these questions but here goes. I wasn’t aware that you could cancel your social security card. I’ve always thought that unless you were in witness protection or something of that sort that it was your permanent identifier. What I can’t seem to comprehend is how a person could survive in this day and age without all of the things you listed. Would you just find work that was “under the table” so that you could feed your family? Would you continue to drive an unregistered vehicle with no license knowing you would be arrested if pulled over? I don’t think it likely that a police officer or a judge is going to say “ Oh, okay you’re a Sovereign citizens you can just go free now.” Rather you agree with the judge or not you are still going to spend time in jail witch by the way will cause you to be issued a new state identifier with the DOC. I understand why some people would want to take this path. In theory it seems a lot more American that the America that we live in. But like the laws or not, this is where we have to survive. I’m not trying to belittle or ridicule any ones stance on this issue I’m just trying to better understand how this could be done. In theory I find that this idea compelling but in practice it seems nearly impossible.:hf: [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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