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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMzQxX0E3NjRGNTg=] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMjUzX0ZDQTE3NTAy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMDQxXzgzMEYxMDE=] [quote:Learn and be free 9709575:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk5ODgyXzg4REI0MDUx] Actually the term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoran. You cannot be sovereign and a citizen at the same time, they are two different classes of voluntary status. Acting as a sovereign you retain the protection of the constitution while acting as a U.S. citizen you are subject to statutory law. You cannot be sovereign while still using state issued identification of any kind, this includes business licenses, driver licenses, a social security number etc... All state issued identification needs to be cancelled and rebutted within the government record for you to have actual evidence supporting your claim of sovereignty. Check out sedm.org for further information, it is the only source that I find trustworthy and will answer every question you may have, all others are missing important pieces of the puzzle. [/quote] There might be an interesting and very important exception... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3OqNwBbibI[/youtube] [/quote] The States are subject to the US commercial government and operating under the same bankruptcy, to declare (falsely) that you are a "State of XXXXXX citizen is no different than a US Citizen and chattel property of the STATE. The guy in the video did nothing but subject himself to the government in telling them he was a State Citizen. Also, if he "paid" for his passport with fiat currency (by endorsing the Federal Reserve Notes he paid with) he did nothing of any value. They issued the passport on their terms and he subjected himself to their jurisdiction. All your answers are here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1 Read it or keep getting pushed around like a ship without a rudder on the open sea of commercial laws and half truths. Always follow the money. [/quote] So then, there's no way to get a US passport as a Sovereign who was born in the USA? [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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