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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwOTM5XzQ2N0JENDdC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwODM1XzRFMEZGMjY3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwNTM2X0RGREUzMDhF] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwNDUzX0Y4MkMwOUIw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMzk2XzIxQkNBNEI2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwMjk4X0M3QzZFMzg2] I believe that Obamacare only applies to US citizens and that's specifically written in the law. That means that non-resident aliens (including Sovereigns) are exempt from Obamacare. Does anyone know the answer? [/quote] http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1 I know the answer, but I am not going to give it to you, figure it out for yourself, that is part of the problem, you are not willing to put in your own work and even read the thread I have posted [i]with the answers.[/i] Sovereign means "self-ruling" asking someone else for answers you can find yourself (I have shown you where to look) is the mindset and heart of one who needs to be governed, not a self ruling man or woman. [/quote] I wasn't asking you specifically. As a matter of fact, I was hoping that this issue would help lead to clarification for others. [/quote] The thread I linked with lead to clarification, why are you still asking when you have not read that thread? I will put it simply for you, [b]if you are NOT demanding lawful money as provided for in law (yes, even in Canada) you ARE subject to the commercial US or Canadian bankruptcy and all of its entrapment's of "commerce".[/b] That is why ALL the Sovereign Citizen (including teamlaw) falls flat on its face in a commercial court, their money, their commercial courts. There is your answer, if you do not want to know more, do not read this thread: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1 [/quote] That thread is mind-blowing. I did a google search of the thread for answers about passports. Apparently it's possible to get a US passport as a Sovereign but I couldn't find the answer to how you pay for it if you can't use US dollars? [/quote] READ THE DAMN THREAD I LINKED! I have done it and it is explained exactly how in that thread! You want something for nothing and that is not how knowledge and freedom are gained! Or, send me 150 dollars and I will walk you through it (in redeemed lawful money of course, a postal money order will do just fine). I will walk you through it step by step, including how to get the US postal money order and pay for it with redeemed US treasury notes so you will actually know the process. Do we have an agreement so I can send you info on where to send the redeemed money? Or read the damned thread I linked and learn it yourself. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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