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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxNDY3XzZDRDBGOTBG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20179835:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMzAwX0ExQTFEREFG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMTUwX0RGNTJGRDg0] Provide the case you want (Rickman vs Ware maybe?) (US vs THOMAS?) and I will show you how you are dead wrong. Proceed, endorser. [/quote] Ya please show me where those court cases were wrong? [/quote] First off, US Notes are NOT Federal Reserve Notes, Rickman V Ware, Rickman refused US notes and demanded gold or silver coin. The court simply ruled that US Notes are legal tender and lawful money of the United States (US notes, since you are ignorant to what they are, are issued and backed by Gold or silver coin of face value). Federal Reserve Notes are NOT issued by the US Treasury and are NOT backed by anything but an endorsement of the end user. Federal Reserve Notes are not the Subject matter of Rickman Vs Ware. End of discussion. in Thomas, he never demanded his redemption of his FRNS for lawful money per 12 USC 411, therefore, by contract endorsement and consent, he made FRNS lawful money (since he used them as such) and did owe TAXES on them for his use. Simple as that and I never said "the cases" are wrong, I simply posted YOU were wrong in your reading of them. You are no lawyer, Sir. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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