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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxNTA0X0EyNDE2NTA0] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20179835:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxNDM1X0ZGQTk2QzY2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMzYxXzgwRkM0QUJG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20179835:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMzIxX0U0OTA4RkJC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMjg3X0Y2REVBODMz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMTg1XzFBOTY3NzQ2] [quote:Anonymous Coward 20179835:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAxMDUwX0RFOTA5N0Iz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 33610307:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwOTc3X0M1QUYzQzc4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAwOTM5XzQ2N0JENDdC] Or, send me 150 dollars and I will walk you through it (in redeemed lawful money of course, a postal money order will do just fine). [/quote] I really appreciate your help, I can't thank you enough. However, you're asking me for dollars here. I thought you weren't allowed to use dollars at all? Are you allowed to collect the dollars and give them as a gift to a non-sovereign for example? [/quote] He is an idiot follow him and end up in jail. He is claiming fed. reserve notes are no good but then ask u for them in order to help u. [/quote] That is an outright lie, [b]I specifically asked for redeemed US Treasury notes[/b], you are feeble minded and cannot read. I also told him exactly where to find the info for free. So fuck off, liar. Postal money orders are lawful money of the United States, look it up, fool. [/quote] That bolded part isn't true imho, you posted: "send me 150 dollars" You have to admit that calls your credibility into question here. [/quote] He is an idiot, don't listen to him. sedm.org - a website that documents everything it says and has been unrebutted by the gov. [/quote] Or, send me 150 dollars and I will walk you through it [color=red](in redeemed lawful money of course[/color], a postal money order will do just fine). That is what I posted, you dimwit, you took it out of context and you know it, so much for your credibility and you reading skills. Now shove off, please and thank you. [/quote] If anyone is dumb enough to follow redemption or whatever your talking about they deserve to be thrown in jail. I got better things to do. See ya. UCC: Policy Document(aka the redemption movement exposssed) http://sedm.org/Forms/08-PolicyDocs/UCC.pdf [/quote] Yet your guru that you follow is in jail. Yeah, you are clearly not dumb... Wait, yes you are and you cannot read as proven by my direct quote of EXACTLY what I was offering and what I was expecting for payment. Bye bye. [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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