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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 34326986:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAyNzUzXzUwNjM3RjYy] [quote:J 34311994:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk3Mzk4XzlEOUYwMERD] [i]"and my understanding is the few that have tried the sovreign citizen stance in court do not understand the law or correct syntax and usually purger themselves."[/i] Its my understanding that the 'sovereign citizen' argument is useless idiocy based on a series of fallacious assumptions that have no relevance to the law or the world that actual people live in...and has a near perfect record of failure in the courts. Its not 'syntax'. Its an argument that simple doesn't work nor make the slightest sense. There's no 'secret status' that magically makes people exempt from all law. There never has been. Declaring yourself a 'sovereign citizen' has no more legal relevance than insisting you're Santa Claus. The law applies just the same either way. [/quote] Yes it does apply the same. I think you should step back and examine what the "levels of law" are, what exactly a statute is and for christ's sake look up the legal definition of a 'person.' Governance requires consent, otherwise it quickly becomes an infringement on international human rights. Most "legal penalties" are against a person and not a human being. Your choosing to represent the person in their court shows consent. It is not unlawful to separate yourself from a legal fiction. Of course TPTB have replied viciously to completely lawful humans again and again but the more that are in the know the better a chance we have at "not understanding." [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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