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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 31297288:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAzMDYwXzVGQjQwQ0ZC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 27229787:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MTAyODUwX0MyMzY2OUU1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 34281023:MV8yMTM3ODI1XzM2MDk2Nzc4X0JDQTlFMkVC] and my understanding is the few that have tried the sovreign citizen stance in court do not understand the law or correct syntax and usually purger themselves. [/quote] Yes, from my experience, it's deep... VERY deep. [b]A sovereign by definition should not even BE in THEIR court.[/b] [b][color=red]THEY created this system - what makes you think you can outsmart them at their own game? Every single word in their laws means something OTHER than what you think it does. So what makes you think you're going to strut into THEIR court and tell the bear where it can sh** in the woods?[/color][/b] [/quote] Now there is a poster who knows what is what!! You step into their courts by your own accord it is CONSENT the second you consent, you lose! Sovereigns (actually suitors) have their own courts, and their own public records. I call their judges into my court to make them prove their jurisdiction over ME, not the other way around. What is a Sovereign without a court of record? Nothing. Read more: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1304915/pg1 [/quote]
I really don't know much about this subject. Is this a genuine description of these people of just the M.S.M. demonizing them?
From Kfor TV out of Oklahoma:
"Law enforcement is paying special attention to a re-surging group of individual extremists; sovereign citizens.
They are anti-government Americans who believe the U.S. government has no authority".
"The world-wide web has been a handy tool in sovereign circles, spreading tactics of their particular flavor of lawlessness.
Sovereign citizens usually represent themselves in court, filing nonsensical paperwork on their own behalf.
Many sovereigns document their struggles to be taken seriously, then post them online.
They rarely have much success."
“What I understand people in some of these cases are doing is making the argument that the original constitutional order left people free from the authority of the federal government and maybe from laws at the state level as well,” Blitz said. “So (they say) ‘You can’t apply these laws to me.’ Not surprisingly, the judges have said, ‘Yes we can.’”
Full article with video:
link to kfor.com
I just want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. You've all given me a bit of a crash education on this subject and directed me to some great sources for learning even more. It's bed time for me but I'm looking forward to reading any new post when I get up.
Once again, thank you!
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